M. C. A. Hogarth ([info]haikujaguar) wrote,
@ 2008-02-26 14:21:00
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Entry tags:ai-naidar, meta-conversations, the admonishments of kherishdar

Behind One Scene
"Don't," Shame says, making a face as he sets a hand on my forearm. "If you're going to choose one story to illustrate my preparation, don't choose that one."

"Well, you could at least explain it to them at least this once," I say. "Because they don't understand your methods, and they spend a lot of time speculating on it."

"Fine," Shame says. "But briefly."

"Briefly," I agree, poised to take these notes.

"From the records given to me by the rapist's Regal and from interviews I conducted with his family and peers, the rapist's pattern indicated someone selfish, whose first thought was almost always how something affected him." He eyes me. "You understand that this is not rare. Ai-Naidar are as prone to such things as aunera appear to be. It's just that the rules of Kherishdar are so well codified one doesn't have to guess how to act in relation to others, most of the time, and so it's easier for such people to get along. Clear?"

"Yes," I say.

"My interview with the victim afterwards confirmed those findings, and also that he was willing to help," Shame continues. "I bought the diqut—yes, you may tell the aunera that I am not perfect—and arranged for a proper theater. That's theater as in "operating," not as in "dramatic," as this is not art, but precision work."

I nod.

"I had the assistants bring him in. They stripped him, but I chained him, though I was dressed as one of the assistants so he didn't know. At this point, half of what I do is for the benefit of the Corrected... the actual Correction. The other half is for me, to make sure I'm on the right track," Shame says. "So I wanted to make sure he was afraid. My dialogue was designed to both evoke the fault I wanted to Correct, and to gauge his answers so I could fine-tune what I did." He flicks his ears back. "My hand was on him, not just to evoke the revulsion, but also to make sure he was reacting to it properly. My nose was at his neck so I could smell him for fear or arousal. And the diqut was not just to make sure he felt threatened, but also so that I could make good on the threat if necessary.

"I judged," Shame finishes, "from his history and from the sorrow and nervousness his family reported after the crime, that what he needed was to feel what he had perpetrated, and when he understood how terrible it was, to be faced with the victim so that he was forced to make the connection between what he'd done and who he'd done it to.

"Vessan's forgiveness," Shame says, "was much of the healing afterwards. And for those who wondered... no, they were never alone. For the trial period, one of my assistants shadowed them, as I promised Vessan so he would feel safe; after it, for another half a year, I had the Regal's Guardians do the same and neither of them knew. But I would not have left Vessan without that surety.

"Hopefully," Shame finishes, "This is sufficient to assure your readers that I am neither thoughtless nor superhuman."

I glance at him. "Was that a joke?"

He picks up my Kindle and retreats. To his back, I say, "What about the last part?"

He looks over his shoulder.

"That part where you promised to rape him if he ever came back."

Shame smiles faintly. "I've told you enough. The rest of it I leave as an exercise to the reader." And then goes to read.

...hey, four of the books I've written are on that thing....

O_O


Stardancer Home.



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[info]jeriendhal
2008-02-26 07:54 pm UTC (link)
Shame doesn't have a staff, I suspect. He has minions.

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-26 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Unless I miss my guess, we're going to get a closer look at his staff.

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[info]archangelbeth
2008-02-26 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Oooo, yay!

*chuckle*

This reader thinks that yes, he would make good on his threat.
On a far lighter note, you see...
Me: "One!"
Kid: "What happens if you get to three?"
Me: "I come up with something and you won't like it."
Kid: *stops balking at whatever it is I want her to do/not do*

Sometimes the answer is "no computer for X period of time." Once it was "no TV for X days," and that was probably as bad for me as for her. @_@

No idle threats. If you want to have that niggle of fear for the selfish "how will this affect me" personality? No idle threats. Even if it's as bad for you to carry through with them.

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[info]captainq
2008-02-26 08:51 pm UTC (link)
From my guess, I'd say it more has to do with Shame's position in the caste system. I'd guess there's only two individuals within the whole society who he doesn't have jurisdiction over.

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-27 03:03 am UTC (link)
Good guess. :)

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Are they allowed to ask...?
[info]ysabetwordsmith
2008-02-27 03:46 am UTC (link)
Supposing that both of them know that Shame is a skilled heart-teacher, which they should; if either of them came across a situation where they needed to understand something which was outside their prior experience but within the realm of what Shame's techniques might be able to reach ... would they be allowed to ask for that assistance?

Something else occurred to me recently, when an old western show came on TV. Westerns are inherently contradictory. They're about a setting that's very wild and lawless; they are often about the process of bringing law, order, and justice to that setting; and yet they idolize the loners, the outcasts, and the settlers who choose to live at the far edge of civilization. It got me thinking about Second World and Third World. What are the stories of their colonization like? Do the Ai-Naidari have an equivalent of frontier stories? I think theirs would be different, and I'm curious as to how.
Ai-Naidari westerns

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[info]dark_blade
2008-02-26 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Aiya.. I feel I ought to offer apology, or at least, clarification. My initial response of "it never ends well" was immediate reaction and thought to several personal experiences. I did -not- presume Shame would simply send them off unattended and hope for the best. To do so would be near the height of irresponsibility and he's is too careful (as in attentive and takes care in action, not simply cautious) to do that.

Edit: Aaaand that's what I get for peeking at things while in class and taking notes. Height of IRRESPONSIBILITY, not responsibility.

Edited at 2008-02-27 01:07 am UTC

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[info]stryck
2008-02-26 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Heh. Nope, not Shadow, just Batman. ;)

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[info]dedoc
2008-02-26 09:49 pm UTC (link)
With a wide range of assistants like that? Oh, no; definitely the Shadow.

*g*

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[info]stryck
2008-02-26 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I recently had a thought. Do the Ai-Naidar have heroes? Villains? Do they have dragons (like Smaug)? Dragon killers (like St George)? Groups of heroes like in The Magnificent Seven? Or, for that matter, like in Power Rangers?

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[info]archangelbeth
2008-02-26 10:16 pm UTC (link)
...Ai-Naidar Power Rangers!
Ranger Ochre!
Mauve Ranger!
Peach Ranger!
Aquamarine Ranger!
Moss Ranger!

(Well, they tend to the paler, less vivid colors, see... ...no one's buying this, are they? ... **flees**)

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-27 03:02 am UTC (link)
...

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[info]miintikwa
2008-02-26 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Do mothers threaten the Ai-Naidari children with Shame if they don't behave?

*is smiling, just a little*

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[info]manycolored
2008-02-26 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Ooh! Has Shame ever had to Correct a child? How ARE underage persons trained up?

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-26 10:49 pm UTC (link)
... by their parents and family? :)

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[info]anamacha
2008-02-27 01:06 am UTC (link)
but what if the parents and/or family are themselves ... not right?

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-27 03:00 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure this is a failure mode among the Ai-Naidar.

To be "wrong" in the way you describe, dozens of people would have to not-notice bad behavior. This is not a society where people pretend not to see people doing the wrong thing.

Nor is this a society where it's common to have a tiny family, where if one person is wrong-headed they're basically your only role model. A typical Ai-Naidari family has multiple generations in the same house/area and all the branches of the family if not in the house than nearby. You grow up with a litter of siblings and cousins, reared not just by your parents, but by grandparents, great-grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins and friends of the family.

It's kind of hard to get messed up the way you're describing.

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[info]ysabetwordsmith
2008-02-27 03:52 am UTC (link)
I've noticed something similar in Waterjewel. There simply isn't the kind of opportunity for wrongdoing that there is in other societies. People are so close-knit in terms of physical proximity and emotional atmosphere that it's not easy to find a chance to assault or rob someone, even if somebody wanted to.

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[info]anamacha
2008-02-27 04:26 am UTC (link)
okay -- then my question stemmed from an ignorance of how they worked. Thank you for setting me straight.

Do the Ai-Naidari have hermits and other such recluse-type people? If so, they might be not-right in the way I'm thinking. Either the loneliness would sneak up on them or some other agency might warp them.

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[info]ladytwnks
2008-02-26 10:52 pm UTC (link)
i'd be willing to say that children are brought up to know that Correction is a consequence to terrible behavior, and that the societal rules/roles keeps most of them from needing to be Corrected.

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[info]hafoc
2008-02-27 01:34 am UTC (link)
And what rules and roles! I just stumbled across this world. I don't know enough to judge it yet. But my first impression is that it is beautiful, harmonious, artistic, and heartlessly totalitarian.

I'll keep reading, though. Perhaps there is some bit of freedom to choose your own place or path. Perhaps you're not doomed from birth to fix shoes just because of the caste into which you were born. I'm scared, but I reserve judgment as best I can.

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[info]catamount3
2008-02-27 01:57 am UTC (link)
I think I can answer your second part by linking you to two of the Aphorisms. (I suppose it's safe to assume that if you just stumbled upon it that you haven't read the Aphorisms yet If you have, sorry for being redundant!)

Ishas (Soul)
Rakadhas (The Right Place)

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[info]ladytwnks
2008-02-27 04:16 am UTC (link)
oddly enough, its comforting to me. those people know who they are and where they belong from the moment they are born. and if i recall correctly, there *are* some exceptions to the caste one is born into.

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[info]archangelbeth
2008-02-27 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Hm. One might get, at some tech levels, survivors of some village-wide disaster (during a time of plague, say), and there's potentially the "traveling family, thought lost in a disaster, child raised by wolves" Tarzan/Mougli notion, but those are so... hm. So one off, that it'd probably be a real special case outside everyone's training.

Like unauthorized children on Beta Colony, IIRC something said in one of those books. Regarding Mark, wasn't it? That an unauthorized clone-child, only located at adulthood, was in a legal limbo so they could sort things out themselves? (Author is Lois McMaster Bujold, for anyone baffled by my babblings here.)

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[info]thedigitalkuri
2008-02-26 10:30 pm UTC (link)
*NODS* Awesome. I had no real doubt of Shame, I was just super curious about the proceedings. BRAVO!

In some ways Shame is a trauma psychologist SQUARED. He has all of his resources, he has the cooperation of the subjects (or at least their family). It is a good thing. *NOD*

And he has enough integrity not to abuse his power.

Him and Farren? Favorites. And His Majesty, also. But that is a separate issue.

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[info]eseme
2008-02-26 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Ah. This helped a lot. I was curious as to what precautions were in place afterward.

This should be in the chapbook. Perhaps in an appendix? An appendix of meta-conversations? Definitely not in the main text, it would spoil the rhythm.

Edit: I ran spell-check, darn it. Fixed.

Edited at 2008-02-27 12:44 am UTC

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[info]dulcinbradbury
2008-02-26 10:50 pm UTC (link)
"I bought the diqut—yes, you may tell the aunera that I am not perfect...

Actually, I find some amount of relief in it.

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[info]dark_blade
2008-02-26 11:58 pm UTC (link)
You too? At the least, I would not say needing it for such to be an imperfection.

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[info]hafoc
2008-02-27 01:26 am UTC (link)
I too am glad that Shame isn't perfect. it makes him more real, and therefore more impressive. Or intimidating, if he wouldn't mind that word. I suspect he wouldn't.

It's funny that characters who make mistakes are often so much more impressive than those who don't. Jessica Fletcher never failed. If Hercule Poirot ever failed, I'm not aware of it. Sherlock Holmes, on the other hand, failed on several occasions. Yet I think he's the most impressive of them all, and I dare say I'm not alone.

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[info]ladytwnks
2008-02-27 04:18 am UTC (link)
if Shame were perfect, he wouldnt understand the need for Corrections, and why compassion must be given along with them. justice and mercy dont always go hand in hand, but heart and compassion do.

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[info]haikujaguar
2008-02-27 05:44 pm UTC (link)
This is well-said. :)

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[info]ladytwnks
2008-02-27 10:39 pm UTC (link)
*blushes* thank you. i get Shame because i understand the need to be Corrected.

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