M. C. A. Hogarth ([info]haikujaguar) wrote,
@ 2007-03-16 11:22:00
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The Color of Your Worldview

Thirukedi with one of his subjects


"A reader asked me if there are any gender discrimination issues in Kherishdar," I say. Since I'm aunerai, an alien, I speak plainly to him without fear of giving offense.

Thirukedi, the Emperor, is standing across from me, arranging flowers. "What kind of discrimination?"

"Gender," I say. "Can men do things that women can't?"

I can hear his smile in his voice. "More like there are things women can do that men can't. One would think you would know that, Storyteller. Or do men bear children in your species?"

"That's not what I meant," I said. "Are there some caste-ranks that women are not allowed to do? Or men?"

He looks over his shoulder at me, one brow lifted. "What have your observations told you, Storyteller?"

I don't have to answer that: I have seen women and men in every caste-rank. Men who take care of families. Women who own their own businesses. Men and women toiling in the fields; men and women in charge of powerful noble and regal households; men and women as dancers and decorations and servants. The Guardian caste is almost all male, but does not exclude women: if they have the ishas, the defining spirit, they are welcome. Women and men are worshipped as gods and goddesses, and as ancestors the only weight given to them after death is measured by how effective they were.

But there's one place where I have never seen a woman. "My observations," I say (because even an aunerai would never think to not answer one of the Emperor's questions), "show me that a woman has never been Thirukedi."

I wait for anger or silence or some other sign that I've hit a nerve. Instead, Thirukedi laughs. "Oh, Storyteller. How your society's inequities have trained you to see only with a fractured lens."

"Well, it's true!" I say.

"Of course it's true," the Emperor says. "Tell me, aunerai... what is the central mystery of my caste-rank?"

"I--" I trail off, then say, "Oh." He asked, though, so I obediently answer, "That you are the same man who founded the Empire thousands of years ago."

"Reborn over and over to guide and serve the Empire, yes?" Thirukedi asks.

"Yes," I say.

"If I'm the same person," Thirukedi says, "then I must have the same body, yes?"

"Why?" I ask.

He huffs a soft laugh. "Just because we place each individual in their proper place no matter their sex, dear Storyteller, does not mean we believe we are so unaffected by our sex that we can switch to some other body with impunity." He returns to the flowers. "Kherishdar could very well have been begun by a woman, and then Thirukedi would be eternally female. But Kherishdar was begun by a man, and so you see me."

"You're not actually the same person--" I begin, but he lifts a hand.

"Enough." He's not angry, but there is something implacable in his voice. "Do not burden our society with your insistence that there is nothing mystical that cannot be explained. You may believe that my spirit is not the same spirit that founded Kherishdar. But that does not make you right."

Chastened, I bow and withdraw... for that surely was a dismissal. Funny how things that seem so obviously explained by your own worldviews can lead you to completely misinterpret reality. The "gender inequity" I observed in Thirukedi never being female seemed obvious to me before I realized it had nothing to do with gender at all... but with metaphysics.

So there you are, [info]altonwings... this one's a non-starter.
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[info]siadea
2007-03-16 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm somehow not too terribly surprised that reincarnation figures promeniently in Kherishdar culture. That's nifty. And that the current Emperor would be the same man who founded it (if reborn) is unutterably neat. Are the reincarnations blood-descendants of the first Emperor, if I may ask?

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[info]siadea
2007-03-16 04:09 pm UTC (link)
(Oh! And because I like to analyze things far too much! I'm betting that people are reborn into the same caste, yes? With gender being continuous and all, and the Emperor being the original Emperor...)

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[info]archangelbeth
2007-03-16 11:06 pm UTC (link)
Although, is gender entirely continuous with the person/caste? Not switching with impunity doesn't entirely mean not switching at all (or does it?) I.e., are there roles where the body's gender is irrelevant?

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[info]haikujaguar
2007-03-17 12:16 pm UTC (link)
Mmm? I'm not sure I understand the question.

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[info]archangelbeth
2007-04-12 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Bah, I never noticed the reply in my in-box...

Do all souls incarnate into the same body, as well as the same caste/role?

Are there roles that the spirit returns to where the body's gender is irrelevant?

Could -- if I understand this right -- Shame's title be held by a female as easily as a male? (Since he seems to be deliberately atouchual...)

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[info]haikujaguar
2007-03-17 12:17 pm UTC (link)
I am fairly sure that reincarnation isn't built into the rest of the culture (at least, not in the same sense as the Emperor's reincarnation), otherwise it wouldn't be considered so godlike that he does come back over and over. More likely, people think that their spirits are not lost, but they don't arrive as the same person with the same memories and thoughts.

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[info]archangelbeth
2007-04-12 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Ah, and if I read down, I get the answer. Pfft, silly me. (Though I suppose it does imply that while there is... subconscious continuity? ...the body does matter less, because they place people "properly" without reference to sex?)

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[info]haikujaguar
2007-03-17 12:16 pm UTC (link)
It looks that way... admittedly, I haven't spent a lot of time nosing into that particular process. I should have a closer look. :)

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[info]puffbird
2007-03-16 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I love these conversations. They say so much about your worldbuilding and characters. :)

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[info]transdraconis
2007-03-16 11:18 pm UTC (link)
It may be a non-starter, but my goodness is the answer educational.

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[info]artfulruin
2007-03-17 12:07 am UTC (link)
I like him. I dreamt about him today when I drowsed briefly. :)

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[info]haikujaguar
2007-03-17 12:16 pm UTC (link)
Eee! :D

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[info]dulcinbradbury
2007-03-19 01:14 pm UTC (link)
Interesting. Although I see no reason why a soul would always be reincarnated as the same gender. The concept of a soul in the "wrong" body has been central to explaining transgendered individuals for a long time in our culture. Why couldn't the soul be the same, even if the body was different?

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[info]archangelbeth
2007-04-12 06:07 pm UTC (link)
If I'm reading story and some of the comments right, only the Emperor is so important that he is reincarnated always male -- and the others are incarnated male or female, and don't have quite the sense of conscious(?) continuity.

(I'm willing to accept that non-humans might not have transgender issues from soul/body mismatches. >_> )

If I'm not reading it right, um... bad me!

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[info]dulcinbradbury
2007-04-12 06:11 pm UTC (link)
I just find it interesting to contemplate the potential transgender issues. I most mentioned it as a thought experiment than anything. I've a transgendered sibling, so, I think I think about these things more often than many.

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[info]archangelbeth
2007-04-13 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Interesting point, true. (My own reincarnation beliefs probably give me blind spots, too. *shiftyeyes*

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